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I have been playing FPSs online for 15years and this is the worst cheating I've ever seen. This game is a fuckingjoke.
我玩了15年FPS online（線上第一人稱射擊）遊戲， 這是我見過最操蛋的作弊。 這遊戲特麼就是一笑話。
科普：
《絕地求生》是Bluehole與《H1Z1》、《武裝突襲3》“大逃殺”模式製作人Playerunknown聯合開發的第三人稱射擊遊戲。 該遊戲是一款大逃殺類型的遊戲， 玩家需要在島上收集各種資源， 在不斷縮小的安全區域內對抗其他玩家， 讓自己生存到最後。 [1] 遊戲在中國由騰訊遊戲獨家代理運營[2] 。 和所有FPS類遊戲一樣， 絕地求生也免不了外掛的侵襲， 玩家的遊戲體驗在一步步惡化。 在“神仙”橫行的現在， 正常玩家的《絕地求生》漸漸變成了《掘地求生》。
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Easy_as_pie 於 2小時前 發表
Really enjoyed this game for the lastcouple of months but now it is completely unplayable. Tried to play for 4-5hours today with my friends but every game but one we were killed by cheaters.You could literally just ban these cheaters using nothing but their stats,wouldn't even have to watch the replays.... 90% head shots and a 254 k/d? Banthem for fucks sake. Most seem to be aim bots with just instant locking andshooting but I've been up against a couple shooting from across the map andthrough walls as well. I'm going to try and request my money back and than goplay an FPS where the developers are actually competent.
過去幾個月裡挺享受這個遊戲的， 但現在這遊戲根本沒法玩了。 我試過每天跟朋友一起開黑玩4-5個小時，
Pacify_ 2 指標 37 分鐘前
The reason why it feels so bad, is becausethe genre is inherently really susceptible to cheating. I've thought from dayone that cheating was eventually going to be a massive issue, and that it wasjust a matter of time.
In CS:Go, you only have to worry about 5people on the other side, provided you are in a pre-made. And while a singlehacker will completely ruin that game, its still only 5 people.
In pubg, you spawn with 96 to 99 otherplayers. You only need a single hacker to ruin the game.
I'm still not really convinced that theover cheater percentage of population is really much higher than CS:GO, itsjust you feel the effects of it so much readily.
FPS where the developers are actuallycompetent.
CS has been struggling with hackers for 18years. And the battle still hasn't been won. Yeah, Bluehole should have hadTencent running their Chinese operation from the start (or atleast from monthsago), but the tech behind anti-cheat systems just don't really work that well.The only FPS game I can think of that really does it well is Overwatch, butBlizzard built that from the ground up, and the game is more expensive than CSor PuBG
我之所以感覺毫無遊戲體驗， 主要是這類遊戲天生就容易受外掛影響。 從遊戲上線第一天起我就知道使用外掛遲早會是個大問題， 只是時間問題。
在CS：GO（反恐精英：全球攻勢）中， 如果你組隊開黑玩耍的話， 你只需要擔心對面5個人裡有沒有掛逼。 一個獨狼掛逼就能完全毀了一局遊戲， 但也僅限這5名玩家的風險。
在絕地求生裡， 你和96-99名玩家一起“呱呱墜地”。 但只要有一個掛逼就能毀了整局比賽。
雖然我仍不相信絕地求生裡的玩家作弊比例會比CS：GO裡高， 但是在前者遊戲過程中遭遇掛逼的糟糕體驗確實實打實的。
求技術過硬的開發者做一款FPS遊戲。
CS已經與掛逼們戰鬥了18年了。 卻仍無勝算。 確實， 藍洞（絕地求生製作公司）從一開始就應該讓騰訊代理其中國區運營（至少早在數月前）【譯者不是騰訊廚， 所以我強烈懷疑這樓是騰訊的托】， 但反外掛系統所需要的技術卻無法到位。 我能想到的在反外掛方面的做的不錯的FPS遊戲是《守望先鋒》， 但暴雪爸爸是從零開始一點點建立起這個遊戲。 當然這遊戲也比CS和絕地求生貴多了。
Easy_as_pie[S] 1 指標 30 分鐘前
There have always been cheaters in PUBG andI agree, this type of game is just more susceptible to cheating. However, italso compensates for that because cheaters are still killable in this game andonce they're gone they are gone for good. Even if you have an aimbot you canstill get shot in the back or killed by a stray grenade or sniped. However,this new batch is unbelievably obvious and numerous. I was killed by a cheaterso many times today. It seems like maybe 1 in 10 players in PUBG right now AREcheaters which would be the same amount that would ruin CS:GO. Two differentsquads I ran into all had the same name and were all cheating. It is so badright now.
在絕地求生裡總會遇到掛逼， 我同意。 這類遊戲天生就更容易受外掛影響。 但是， 稍微令人欣慰點的是， 掛逼還是可以被幹掉的， 掛逼只要死了就一了百了。 就算你有自動瞄準掛， 你依然可能被人從被後打黑槍， 或者被手雷炸飛， 在或者被狙擊步槍幹掉。 但是， 這幫逼實在太倡狂， 數量也太多了。 我今天就被一個掛逼殺了好幾次。 我感覺絕地求生裡每十個玩家就有一個掛逼， 毀了CS：GO的掛逼數量也差不多如此。 我曾遭遇過兩支取著相似ID的四人戰隊， 全員都是掛逼。 遊戲體驗太差了。
Pacify_ 1 指標 19 分鐘前
It seems like maybe 1 in 10 players in PUBGright now ARE cheaters which would be the same amount that would ruin CS:GO.Two different squads I ran into all had the same name and were all cheating. Itis so bad right now.
My only suggestion is to stick with FPP andwait for the Tencent version to go live. Hopefully that will mean the end ofChinese being able to play on steam version. There still an occasional hackerin FPP, but its liveable (at least for now). Squads TPP seems to be the hackercentral
我感覺絕地求生裡每十個玩家就有一個掛逼， 毀了CS：GO的掛逼數量也差不多如此。 我曾遭遇過兩支取著相似ID的四人戰隊，
我能給你的唯一建議就是去玩第一人稱視角模式（第一人稱視角模式類似於CS， 玩家只露出兩隻手和槍支， 只能看到眼前， 不能同時看到四周的情況。 即便有透視外掛也難免死于老陰逼之手， 所以該模式外掛較少， 相對的...）， 等著騰訊代理橫空出世吧。 希望中文遊戲端能在steam上運行。 在第一視角模式下偶爾也會遇到掛逼， 但還沒那麼糟糕（至少現在還沒）。 四人團隊第三人稱模式應該是掛逼雲集之地。
Geoxsis_06 3 指標 1小時前
You have to realize a game can not bansomeone before they start hacking lol. 98% of these "chinese" hackersplay for a day and get banned. They just farm BP for crates and hope to getexpensive items and sell them for a profit. None of these obvious accountsactually stay active for more than 8+ hours.
Easy_as_pie[S] 2 指標 1小時前
Also it should be noted that they aren'tall "chinese hackers". Got killed by a group of teenagers cheatingall shouting slurs and "china number one" too.
有一點得提醒你， 掛逼不全是說中文的。 我還被一夥滿嘴污言穢語， 高喊“China number one”的青少年殺過。
Fweeke 2 指標 50 分鐘前
There are cheaters with hundreds of games.The issue is that they aren't being banned at all.
數百款遊戲裡都有掛逼的身影。 問題是他們從來沒被制裁過。
Easy_as_pie[S] 0 指標 1小時前
It should ban most cheaters as soon as theyload up the game with cheats. If I went and added a cheat to say Overwatch oreven COD I would most likely be banned instantaneously. The small amount ofspecialized cheating there is can also be banned quickly through programs justlooking through stats. It is so blatantly obvious in PUBG you could ban mostcheaters right now just through a bot combing through stats and not hit anylegit players. You could see it through their first game played for fucks sake.The rest need to be looked at through replays but they are also obvious.
應該在這些掛逼使用外掛打開遊戲的時候就封他們號。如果我開了外掛，然後打開了，舉個例子：守望先鋒或者使命召喚，我應該立馬就被封號。少部分專業的外掛應該也可以通過檢視程式或查看玩家擊殺資料等方式迅速封禁。外掛在絕地求生裡實在太倡狂了，你可以通過玩家擊殺資料立刻封掉那些掛逼，而不必擔心傷害到合法玩家。你還可以通過他們玩兒過的第一局遊戲來判斷其是否為掛逼。其他的可以通過查看擊殺重播來判斷，很明顯易查。
417392 1 指標 1小時前
You should look up how anti-cheats actuallywork
你得去查查反外掛軟體的運作機制。
Easy_as_pie[S] 1 指標 1小時前
They scan your computer memory and look forthe cheats. It's like anti-virus software. Once a cheat is known(just like whenthere is a known virus with anti-virus software), the anti-cheat program findsit and automatically bans that person. And, even if the cheat is not know, itusually will also search for things being tampered with. PUBG seems to do thesethings very, very, very poorly.
他們通過掃描你的電腦記憶體來查找外掛。就像殺毒軟體。一旦識別了外掛（就像殺毒軟體找到了一個已知的病毒），反外掛程式就會自動封禁該玩家。即便是未知的新品種外掛，反掛系統還是會搜索其他蛛絲馬跡。絕地求生在這方面似乎做的不怎麼地。
Pacify_ 1 指標 30 分鐘前
PUBG seems to do these things very, very,very poorly.
Theres no other FPS game that has had todeal with so many players, so quickly. The people behind COD have been workingon the franchise for 15 years, and honestly PC COD has never been the mainsystem, its mostly consoles. Cheating on consoles is so much harder.
Its better to compare PUBG with CShonestly.
絕地求生在這方面似乎做的不怎麼地。
沒有哪一款FPS遊戲要一次性、如此快節奏的對付那麼多玩家。使命召喚的幕後人員已經在遊戲授權運營方面辛勤工作了15年。說實話，使命召喚的主戰場平不在PC端，絕大多數玩家集中在主機端（如XBOX,PS4等）。在主機上使用外掛難度可大多了
講道理，把絕地求生和CS做類比還差不多。
Easy_as_pie[S] 1 指標 20 分鐘前
PUBG sat for over a year in alpha/beta.Overwatch did the same, with a similar amount of players, if not more. I putmuch much more time into Overwatch than pubg and I have never once ever playedagainst or with a cheater in Overwatch. Never. Obviously Overwatch had Blizzardbehind it going in and many many years of development and a different style ofgame that is not as susceptible to cheating but I mostly bring it up to pointout that it is very possible to not have a shitload of cheaters in a game.Design choices like not being able to sell loot boxes for cash help a lot too.If you are going to launch a game and say it is ready to play it should befucking playable.
絕地求生上線之前進行了一年多的測試和優化。守望先鋒也一樣，玩家數量同等，並不亞于絕地求生。我玩守望先鋒的時間要比絕地求生多得多，但從來沒有在守望先鋒裡遇到掛逼。一次也沒有過。很明顯，守望先鋒背後的暴雪爸爸的參與和多年的開發，讓其成為了一款風格不同的遊戲，不太容易受外掛影響。所以我想說的是，在遊戲裡杜絕一大幫掛逼的存在是可以做到的。諸如杜絕裝備箱交易變現也能起到作用。如果你打算上線一款遊戲，並且表示它已經能玩兒了，就特麼的要確保玩家的遊戲體驗。
Pacify_ 1 指標 16 分鐘前
Overwatch seems to have the best anti-cheatsystems in FPS at the moment, would be really interesting to know what they dodifferent.
I can't ever recall seeing a single hackerin OW. But expecting PUBG to be the same as Overwatch just isn't realistic. Thedifference in studios/budget/development time is just completely different.
Design choices like not being able to sellloot boxes for cash help a lot too.
I don't see much relevance in this one, thecost of a new account to hacker once you get banned would far exceed anythingyou could make from BP, even if you played 24 hours a day
在FPS遊戲界中，守望先鋒的反外掛系統應該是當下最好的了。挺想知道他們是怎麼做到的。
我不記得有在守望先鋒裡遇到過掛逼。但指望絕地求生能做到守望先鋒那樣太不現實了。工作室/預算投入/開發時間上的差距不是一個層次上的。
諸如杜絕裝備箱交易變現也能起到作用。
你提到的這點上，我倒沒看出太大的關聯性。掛逼被封之後要獲取新帳號的成本要遠遠高於他在遊戲中賺取的BP點帶給他的收益。就算你每天玩24小時。
Pacify_ 1 指標 33 分鐘前
If I went and added a cheat to sayOverwatch or even COD I would most likely be banned instantaneously.
Overwatch you might get banned pretty fast.COD? Oh hell no. You massively overestimate the power of COD anti cheat systems
如果我開了外掛，然後打開了，舉個例子：守望先鋒或者使命召喚，我應該立馬就被封號。
守望先鋒裡你可能很快就涼了（被封禁）。使命召喚？得了吧。你真是大大高估了使命召喚的反外掛系統的能力。
Easy_as_pie[S] 1 指標 19 分鐘前
I haven't played a COD game in a while butI rarely ran into cheaters in the last one I played... They are usually prettygood about keeping cheaters out for the first year or so but than they do justditch it and it gets overrun.
我有段時間沒玩過使命召喚了，但之前玩的時候很少碰到掛逼。他們通常在遊戲運營第一年反外掛做的還湊合，但不久就會破罐破摔，導致外掛氾濫
Quanzo1 3 指標 2小時前
Very true. Honestly only made a Redditaccount so I can come on here and tell people how broken this game has become.
大實話。老實說，我唯一能做的就是來Reddit上註冊個帳號，告訴大家這個遊戲現在有多操蛋。
WillowYouIdiot
Jerrycan
2 指標 1小時前
It's a shame Brendan Greene doesn't playhis own game so he can experience it. He might actually region lock then.
真可惜，Brendan Greene（絕地求生的設計者，在此之前還設計了紅極一時的H1Z1）自己不玩兒他自己做的遊戲，真想讓他親身感受一下。估計那個時候他就會想著鎖區了。
Fweeke 2 指標 50 分鐘前
Or kill himself.
或者自裁謝罪。
Easy_as_pie[S] 0 指標 1小時前
It should ban most cheaters as soon as theyload up the game with cheats. If I went and added a cheat to say Overwatch oreven COD I would most likely be banned instantaneously. The small amount ofspecialized cheating there is can also be banned quickly through programs justlooking through stats. It is so blatantly obvious in PUBG you could ban mostcheaters right now just through a bot combing through stats and not hit anylegit players. You could see it through their first game played for fucks sake.The rest need to be looked at through replays but they are also obvious.
應該在這些掛逼使用外掛打開遊戲的時候就封他們號。如果我開了外掛，然後打開了，舉個例子：守望先鋒或者使命召喚，我應該立馬就被封號。少部分專業的外掛應該也可以通過檢視程式或查看玩家擊殺資料等方式迅速封禁。外掛在絕地求生裡實在太倡狂了，你可以通過玩家擊殺資料立刻封掉那些掛逼，而不必擔心傷害到合法玩家。你還可以通過他們玩兒過的第一局遊戲來判斷其是否為掛逼。其他的可以通過查看擊殺重播來判斷，很明顯易查。
417392 1 指標 1小時前
You should look up how anti-cheats actuallywork
你得去查查反外掛軟體的運作機制。
Easy_as_pie[S] 1 指標 1小時前
They scan your computer memory and look forthe cheats. It's like anti-virus software. Once a cheat is known(just like whenthere is a known virus with anti-virus software), the anti-cheat program findsit and automatically bans that person. And, even if the cheat is not know, itusually will also search for things being tampered with. PUBG seems to do thesethings very, very, very poorly.
他們通過掃描你的電腦記憶體來查找外掛。就像殺毒軟體。一旦識別了外掛（就像殺毒軟體找到了一個已知的病毒），反外掛程式就會自動封禁該玩家。即便是未知的新品種外掛，反掛系統還是會搜索其他蛛絲馬跡。絕地求生在這方面似乎做的不怎麼地。
Pacify_ 1 指標 30 分鐘前
PUBG seems to do these things very, very,very poorly.
Theres no other FPS game that has had todeal with so many players, so quickly. The people behind COD have been workingon the franchise for 15 years, and honestly PC COD has never been the mainsystem, its mostly consoles. Cheating on consoles is so much harder.
Its better to compare PUBG with CShonestly.
絕地求生在這方面似乎做的不怎麼地。
沒有哪一款FPS遊戲要一次性、如此快節奏的對付那麼多玩家。使命召喚的幕後人員已經在遊戲授權運營方面辛勤工作了15年。說實話，使命召喚的主戰場平不在PC端，絕大多數玩家集中在主機端（如XBOX,PS4等）。在主機上使用外掛難度可大多了
講道理，把絕地求生和CS做類比還差不多。
Easy_as_pie[S] 1 指標 20 分鐘前
PUBG sat for over a year in alpha/beta.Overwatch did the same, with a similar amount of players, if not more. I putmuch much more time into Overwatch than pubg and I have never once ever playedagainst or with a cheater in Overwatch. Never. Obviously Overwatch had Blizzardbehind it going in and many many years of development and a different style ofgame that is not as susceptible to cheating but I mostly bring it up to pointout that it is very possible to not have a shitload of cheaters in a game.Design choices like not being able to sell loot boxes for cash help a lot too.If you are going to launch a game and say it is ready to play it should befucking playable.
絕地求生上線之前進行了一年多的測試和優化。守望先鋒也一樣，玩家數量同等，並不亞于絕地求生。我玩守望先鋒的時間要比絕地求生多得多，但從來沒有在守望先鋒裡遇到掛逼。一次也沒有過。很明顯，守望先鋒背後的暴雪爸爸的參與和多年的開發，讓其成為了一款風格不同的遊戲，不太容易受外掛影響。所以我想說的是，在遊戲裡杜絕一大幫掛逼的存在是可以做到的。諸如杜絕裝備箱交易變現也能起到作用。如果你打算上線一款遊戲，並且表示它已經能玩兒了，就特麼的要確保玩家的遊戲體驗。
Pacify_ 1 指標 16 分鐘前
Overwatch seems to have the best anti-cheatsystems in FPS at the moment, would be really interesting to know what they dodifferent.
I can't ever recall seeing a single hackerin OW. But expecting PUBG to be the same as Overwatch just isn't realistic. Thedifference in studios/budget/development time is just completely different.
Design choices like not being able to sellloot boxes for cash help a lot too.
I don't see much relevance in this one, thecost of a new account to hacker once you get banned would far exceed anythingyou could make from BP, even if you played 24 hours a day
在FPS遊戲界中，守望先鋒的反外掛系統應該是當下最好的了。挺想知道他們是怎麼做到的。
我不記得有在守望先鋒裡遇到過掛逼。但指望絕地求生能做到守望先鋒那樣太不現實了。工作室/預算投入/開發時間上的差距不是一個層次上的。
諸如杜絕裝備箱交易變現也能起到作用。
你提到的這點上，我倒沒看出太大的關聯性。掛逼被封之後要獲取新帳號的成本要遠遠高於他在遊戲中賺取的BP點帶給他的收益。就算你每天玩24小時。
Pacify_ 1 指標 33 分鐘前
If I went and added a cheat to sayOverwatch or even COD I would most likely be banned instantaneously.
Overwatch you might get banned pretty fast.COD? Oh hell no. You massively overestimate the power of COD anti cheat systems
如果我開了外掛，然後打開了，舉個例子：守望先鋒或者使命召喚，我應該立馬就被封號。
守望先鋒裡你可能很快就涼了（被封禁）。使命召喚？得了吧。你真是大大高估了使命召喚的反外掛系統的能力。
Easy_as_pie[S] 1 指標 19 分鐘前
I haven't played a COD game in a while butI rarely ran into cheaters in the last one I played... They are usually prettygood about keeping cheaters out for the first year or so but than they do justditch it and it gets overrun.
我有段時間沒玩過使命召喚了，但之前玩的時候很少碰到掛逼。他們通常在遊戲運營第一年反外掛做的還湊合，但不久就會破罐破摔，導致外掛氾濫
Quanzo1 3 指標 2小時前
Very true. Honestly only made a Redditaccount so I can come on here and tell people how broken this game has become.
大實話。老實說，我唯一能做的就是來Reddit上註冊個帳號，告訴大家這個遊戲現在有多操蛋。
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Jerrycan
2 指標 1小時前
It's a shame Brendan Greene doesn't playhis own game so he can experience it. He might actually region lock then.
真可惜，Brendan Greene（絕地求生的設計者，在此之前還設計了紅極一時的H1Z1）自己不玩兒他自己做的遊戲，真想讓他親身感受一下。估計那個時候他就會想著鎖區了。
Fweeke 2 指標 50 分鐘前
Or kill himself.
或者自裁謝罪。